March 11th, 2010

If the oldest tree in the world is 15,000 y/o, & creationist swear earth is 6-11,000 y/o.how is it so ?

  • did their god create 4,000 y/o trees, 11,000 years ago?
    or did the tree grow in space until the boogieman created the world ?
    as well as knowing nothing about physics it seems the goatherds who scrawled the bible knew nothing about how long trees live.
    now we know & it doesn't add up, is it more "magic"?
    or in the creationist world it doesn't have to make sense
    - just be halfway reasonable enough to fool children.


  • Creations will argue that the tree isn't really that old and that Satan is tricking us.


  • Simple. Creationists are wrong.


  • I cannot improve upon the first answer, but I'd like to add that when creationism enters the picture, it's always the observable facts that must give way.


  • That would mean God is a trickster and evil.

    @ Twilight Heathen: We don't use carbon dating to go back that far. To get the age of stuff that 6,000 years or older, we'd use argon-argon or uranium-lead dating. You really don't get radiometric dating at all.

    @ That guy: There is no living tree that is that old, but we can date trees by their rings as well as radiometric dating. The oldest living tree almost 10,000 years old.


  • I guess they would say the tree is lying? about it's age that is
    ( a female tree no doubt! )


  • god made it appear that way....NOT


  • humans make mistakes too. do you know anybody that is old enough to tell you how old the tree is? people assume that when they say they can tell things are certain ages than they are right.


  • I feel you are picking on a very small number of people who literally believe, that the world was created 6000 years ago.
    But if there are such people, and based on that you dismiss the Bible, than both those people and you would be wrong.
    The Bible is not a book about history, actual events or characters, it cannot be taken literally.
    It speaks about spirituality, and without actual spiritual attainment it cannot be understood.
    The 6000 symbolizes the time, since humanity started to search for our connection to the Creator, we had our spiritual birthday at that time, so to speak.
    So this 6000 years has nothing to do with big bang, trees or even the first humanoid creatures.
    Here is an article about the secret meaning of the Bible:
    http://www.kabbalah.info/eng/content/vie...
    I hope it clarifies some of the points in your question.


  • God put that there to test Christians' faith. Kinda like how he put Christians on earth to test our patience.


  • The same thing they say to all other evidence that indicates their wrong.

    "It's a lie!"


  • A tree living to 15,000. I don't believe that, prove it.


  • I am glad you said "IF", for therein lies the crux. The idea of dating began on assumptions and grew from there. As scientific as the process presently is, the foundation is cracked.


  • have you ever considered what they are using to determine the age of something isn't correct? i mean wouldn't it have to be a guess...


  • Actually, there are far older trees....petrified wood. There are entire (small) forests of fossilized trees that date back far longer than 15,000 years....3 million years in fact.


  • They generally like to say that radiometric dating is inaccurate, I think. Which is ridiculous considering not only do they no nothing about biology, but they also know nothing of chemistry or physics - yet they still think they know better than the experts. It's sad.


  • Simple really .... creationists are wrong


  • LOL at Zak T's answer.

    God made the tree grow faster than time, obviously.


    LOL HARDER at Lover of god and not self's answer.

    God put extra rings in the tree? WTF?


  • Your faith that the tree has grown exactly one growth ring every year for the last 15,000 years is wilder than my faith that God created the world and everything in it about 6000 years ago.

    Perhaps you should re-evaluate in who you are placing your faith?


  • This is the deal: no one is alive today who can actually attest to being an eye witness to either the creation of the world or the way history has unfolded since. Science thinks they know how old the planet is based on a man created measuring stick--carbon dating, and creationists go by a work of faith that in most places is not to be taken literally but to be used as a parable but yet that beginning chunk is to be taken as gospel and the precise time is infallible. So I say this--no one knows how old this planet is. No one knows who, why, or how it was created since there is no absolute eye witness to the fact. No one knows precisely when it will end so let's all just enjoy the ride and live for today and try to make tomorrow a better place by learning from yesterday...







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